It boggles my mind... it really does.
Jul. 30th, 2008 01:12 amSeen via
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It boggles my mind that in this day and age, someone can believe that governments that permit same-sex marriage should be overthrown. I've seen some pretty out-there statements about homosexuality - it's impossible to spend any time surfing the Internet without coming across someone who claims that we're out to destroy society as we know it - but overthrowing the government?
While I've known for some time about Orson Scott Card's outdated views towards LGBT people, and while I've seen many arguments against the legal recognition of same-sex relationships through marriage (most of which boil down to "you can't have children!"), Card has veered completely out into left field with this rant.
From the article:
I wonder whether this constitutes sedition under American law... will the FBI be knocking on his door in the morning? (I'm not holding my breath.)
More blather:
Someone needs to remind him that his Mormon background includes a time when polygamy was not only allowed, but encouraged (and in some offshoots, such as the enclaves in Texas and British Columbia that recently found themselves in the news, it still is). He may argue that the Mormon Church gave up polygamy so that Utah would be admitted to the United States (barely a century ago), but going further back into Judeo-Christian tradition, men with multiple wives were not unheard of. Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines, after all. And LGBT people, particularly those who are in monogamous relationships, are a threat to tradition?
Right, because we never inherit or bequeath our property, we never end our relationships (well, if he had his way we would never have those relationships in the first place), and we never adopt children (someone remind David Gerrold).
He disputes the label of "homophobe", claiming that this is a term that refers to mental illness. Well, anyone with a pathological need to prevent people from finding happiness - and given the sheer number of essays on this topic he's written, I would in fact characterize his need to assert his beliefs as "pathological" - when said happiness would have no bearing on his life, deserves the label.
I'm ashamed to admit that I own seven of his books... two of which he autographed for me when he here about 15 years ago.
On a happier note, a New Zealand inventor has created a personal jetpack. Nice, but I want my flying car! ;)
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It boggles my mind that in this day and age, someone can believe that governments that permit same-sex marriage should be overthrown. I've seen some pretty out-there statements about homosexuality - it's impossible to spend any time surfing the Internet without coming across someone who claims that we're out to destroy society as we know it - but overthrowing the government?
While I've known for some time about Orson Scott Card's outdated views towards LGBT people, and while I've seen many arguments against the legal recognition of same-sex relationships through marriage (most of which boil down to "you can't have children!"), Card has veered completely out into left field with this rant.
From the article:
How long before married people answer the dictators thus: Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down, so it can be replaced with a government that will respect and support marriage, and help me raise my children in a society where they will expect to marry in their turn.
I wonder whether this constitutes sedition under American law... will the FBI be knocking on his door in the morning? (I'm not holding my breath.)
More blather:
Here's the irony: There is no branch of government with the authority to redefine marriage. Marriage is older than government. Its meaning is universal: It is the permanent or semipermanent bond between a man and a woman, establishing responsibilities between the couple and any children that ensue.
Someone needs to remind him that his Mormon background includes a time when polygamy was not only allowed, but encouraged (and in some offshoots, such as the enclaves in Texas and British Columbia that recently found themselves in the news, it still is). He may argue that the Mormon Church gave up polygamy so that Utah would be admitted to the United States (barely a century ago), but going further back into Judeo-Christian tradition, men with multiple wives were not unheard of. Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines, after all. And LGBT people, particularly those who are in monogamous relationships, are a threat to tradition?
The laws concerning marriage did not create marriage, they merely attempted to solve problems in such areas as inheritance, property, paternity, divorce, adoption and so on.
Right, because we never inherit or bequeath our property, we never end our relationships (well, if he had his way we would never have those relationships in the first place), and we never adopt children (someone remind David Gerrold).
He disputes the label of "homophobe", claiming that this is a term that refers to mental illness. Well, anyone with a pathological need to prevent people from finding happiness - and given the sheer number of essays on this topic he's written, I would in fact characterize his need to assert his beliefs as "pathological" - when said happiness would have no bearing on his life, deserves the label.
I'm ashamed to admit that I own seven of his books... two of which he autographed for me when he here about 15 years ago.
On a happier note, a New Zealand inventor has created a personal jetpack. Nice, but I want my flying car! ;)